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Özil reports Twitter user for racial abuse

PEPE ÍÑIGUEZ. Hamburg 06/19/2012

Real Madrid's German international Mesut Özil has reported the owner of a Twitter account for racial abuse, after the player was accused of not being German, according to the Bild newspaper.

The player's lawyer - Sascha Beumer – decided to take legal action after an unknown Twitter user posted messages using a private account during the Denmark-Germany game, stating that the player was not German and criticising his surname – which is of Muslim descent.

"Özil isn't German! A piece of paper doesn't change your origins", were the unknown user’s words in their first message, then adding that nobody with a non-German name should play in the German team.

Soon after, amid the protests - both online and offline -, Twitter decided to block the user's account from where the racist comments came from.

The Real Madrid player's father and agent - Mustafa Özil – totally agreed with his son's decision to report the incident: "it's important to say that you can't get away with saying things like that. This person has overstepped the mark".

Özil – who has played in all three of Germany's games so far in the 2012 Euros – was born in Gelsenkirchen (West Germany), while his parents come from Turkey. The Real Madrid player has always defended his German status.

Date: 2012-06-21 01:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jenny-jenkins.livejournal.com
I'm so glad you posted this. It was going to go into the Portugal Match spam but on reflection it deserves its own post.

That "Ozil isn't German..." BS is tiresomely common online. Mesut is just a poor little cultural orphan as far as the reader comments are concerned on too many sites.

I say report them all.

Date: 2012-06-21 02:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jenny-jenkins.livejournal.com
When I was a child in Germany in the '80s no one ever sang the anthem - for obvious reasons. It was never played. I didn't even learn the words until I left for Canada. When my mother was growing up in the '60s they didn't only not sing the anthem they didn't even do team sports!

Franz Beckenbauer can complain: but in the '70s he didn't sing it either! No one did. The anthem made you uncomfortable, it had associations one couldn't shake.

It's just one of those things I prefer people not to complain about.

Date: 2012-06-21 02:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jenny-jenkins.livejournal.com
That would have been my mother's experience exactly. To this day I can't be sure she knows the lyrics.

The song was written in 1848 and is rather saccharine, but quite harmless. It was before there was a Germany (Union in 1871 when Prussia sort of forced the issue).

But in 1848 it was a time of revolution and great hope and change. So "Deutschland Ueber Alles" - still the official first stanza believe it or not, though only the third is sung at events - was quite harmless at the time. It signified hope about change at a sensitive time (revolution all over Europe). It took on its sinister overtones later.

Date: 2012-06-21 03:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] charliechaz.livejournal.com
Interesting....I always assumed that Germany changed their national anthem after WWii or sometime after reunification .......I knew German nationalism was complicated, u didn't know the bit about not singing the words in 80s .....I'm making a mental not to learn more

Date: 2012-06-21 03:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jenny-jenkins.livejournal.com
It wasn't just the '80s. Overt patriotism (not nationalism - plain old patriotism) was frowned on, actively, until 2006 when the World Cup came to Germany.

It was literally the first time I saw flags everywhere (my mother and I passed through that summer on our way to Italy).

My mother was thrilled to marry a Canadian. She had a literal complex about telling people she was German and she sort of avoids it to this day. That attitude is passing.

Some still disapprove. In 2010 some Turkish-Germans in Berlin put up a 20 foot flag along the side of their building (biggest flag in Germany). It was stolen by left-wingers twice and they had to have someone sit up at night to guard it.

Date: 2012-06-21 06:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mello-march.livejournal.com
1952 the german President and the Chancellor agreed that only the third stanza of the national anthem should be used on official occasions. Then 1991, after Germany's reunification, the third stanza was officially declared national anthem. The words are actually quite fitting: "Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit" (unity and justice and freedom). Today, only some very old and stubborn war veterans and, of course, the despicable neo-nazis still hold on to the first stanza that is a testimony of former German megalomania, invoking a "Reich" that covers half of Europe.

As to the discussion about footballers singing the anthem or not, who cares? They are supposed to play football. Besides, the Haydn-music is beautiful all by itself and doesnt need a text.

Date: 2012-06-22 07:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] charliechaz.livejournal.com
...so I am watching the Germany v greece quarter final game right now! During the national anthems I typically i running around just finishing putting my snacks together, but today I skipped my snacks and paid close attention.... the "fair skinned players" all sang along.....the "non-german, german players didn't. (PS put those designations in quotations on purpose)

Was this a coincidence or is the divide between who sings and who doesn't sing related to race as well as age? I mean these players (and their living families) weren't around when all that madness was going on. Is there an enduring legacy around the anthem (or at least the third stanza) that stops even young people (or first generation citizens) from singing along?

Long post,,but I am a dark skinned african american. Despite America's racial history, there isn't much "to do" about symbols of the country's history (confederate flag aside) for today's youth or first gen children.

Date: 2012-06-21 02:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lovinthelads.livejournal.com
I had a very interesting discussion on this topic with a German friend of mine, and we talked a lot about what it mean to be German in a post WWII world. He lived in Nuremberg, where they have kept intact many Nazi sites as a reminded to themselves of what was allowed to happen, so it does not happen again.

And seriously, no one alive today made any of the decisions that caused what happened. The only veterans still alive from that era were young kids at the time. It's like in America where there is a sentiment of things being owed to blacks and native americans for past crimes. While slavery was horrible, and natives were treated most unfairly, to hold me personally responsible for what people I never even KNEW did, is ridiculous.

Germans have a right to be proud of themselves. Shit, y'all have a far more functioning society/economy than most of the world. And it is a beautiful place with a rich cultural history. One group of assholes can't take that away from you.

Date: 2012-06-21 03:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yeats.livejournal.com
i feel like holding anyone personally responsible is wrong, but there is such thing as systemic and institutional privilege, which people whose ancestors weren't slaves or native americans still benefit from.

my entire family immigrated to america in the twentieth century -- none of my ancestors were involved in either the native american genocide nor slavery. but i'm conscious of how my ethnicity affords me privilege, privilege whose origin is the enslavement and slaughter of other groups.

Date: 2012-06-21 04:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] naobot.livejournal.com
This!

The Germans' contemporary attitude toward nationalism and apologising for their history might strike Americans (us Canadians too -- but I do think Americans tend to be more patriotic) as overly self-flagellating and no longer necessary, but as a child of immigrants, I really appreciate the thought into promoting that sort of attitude of "We must never forget". Because really? Powerful nations in history have shown us time and time again that yes, we WILL forget and pretend these bad things in the past never happened.

I'm Chinese-Canadian and I absolutely sympathise with older generation Chinese people who dislike Japan and their government for not really acknowledging the war crimes they've committed. I dislike that the Japanese government doesn't address this, but I definitely don't hold it against the Japanese people in general, and quite like them.

I mean even Canada, which is an amazingly tolerant and diverse country, is guilty of tiptoeing around history involving some pretty awful mistreatment of Native people, for example.

/rant

Date: 2012-06-21 11:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lovinthelads.livejournal.com
Absolutely. And there are remnants of slavery in our society such as the gross urban poverty of blacks that needs to be addressed through education and opportunity, but that can be done in a forward thinking way rather than an attempt to correct past wrongs. Slavery was wrong, but what is more wrong is in assuming that people can just "work harder" to improve their circumstances.

Date: 2012-06-22 07:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] charliechaz.livejournal.com
point well observed.

Date: 2012-06-21 05:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sashatwen.livejournal.com
What makes me wonder, truly wonder about this piece of news is... WHY ONLY THIS USER? Comments like these - and far worse ones at that - are all over Bild.de, all kinds of German-language (and probably Turkish) forums and the internet at large.

They could have picked a much better and much more deserving example than the - admittedly deplorable but comparatively tame - statement he "isn't German".

This is a very random reaction and strikes me as odd, is all I'm saying.

Date: 2012-06-21 05:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jenny-jenkins.livejournal.com
You know this had occurred to me.

The stuff at Welt Online is worse - hell, BILD - who could forget Bild?? The most poisonous shit is published on that website.

Perhaps it was reported in the news? Perhaps it received one too many re-tweets? Perhaps it was an account that could be easily tracked down and shut for maximum publicity? Perhaps by over-reaching slightly - choosing a fairly innocuous statement (compared to the crap in Bild, for example) then they are setting a tidy precedent for far worse stuff. As if to say: this, and anything worse could be punished.

But yes - very odd. I don't know the hate-speech laws in Germany. In Canada this would be unlikely to get you banned - and we don't have complete free speech in Canada (common misconception is that we do). Hate speech is not protected, and hate-speech is a vaguely defined idea.

Date: 2012-06-21 06:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sashatwen.livejournal.com
Hey, I bet all those Turkish purists who accused him of being a Kurd are now really mad they were lumped in with him. *snigger* Ah, the wonderful world of racist internet trolls.

As for laws in Germany, yes, some hate-speech, namely hate speech directed at entire segments of the populace, is not protected by our free speech laws. (I happen to rather like it that way.)

Let me quote the relevant wiki article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volksverhetzung):

For any hate speech to be punishable as Volksverhetzung, the law requires that said speech be "qualified for disturbing public peace" either by inciting "hatred against parts of the populace" or calling for "acts of violence or despotism against them", or by attacking "the human dignity of others by reviling, maliciously making contemptible or slandering parts of the populace".

I'm actually not sure the twitter statements, as reported, qualify as Volksverhetzung acc. to German law. Which is why I thought it a dumb move. If this goes to court and is rejected, it's basically like giving the rest of the stupid people a reason to party.

Date: 2012-06-21 06:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jenny-jenkins.livejournal.com
Hey, I bet all those Turkish purists who accused him of being a Kurd are now really mad they were lumped in with him. *snigger* Ah, the wonderful world of racist internet trolls.

Hee hee hee - I am perilously amused by this! The poor things!

Karmic balance!

Edit: In Canada nothing gets to trial. Everything is settled. 5% of cases make it to court. Is it the same in Germany? I know ZERO about a civil system.
Edited Date: 2012-06-21 06:33 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-06-21 06:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sashatwen.livejournal.com
I can't exactly give you statistics myself. I'd have to google it the same as you. (There you go, something to distract yourself while Crispy tries to score.)

Given though that my dad's taken some customers' unpaid bills all the way to court plenty of times, I assume it's more than 5 percent over here?

Date: 2012-06-21 06:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jenny-jenkins.livejournal.com
Precisely 10 seconds ago I left the following comment in Lola's latest:

And some Crispy! I'm about to watch and we need Crispy to be good!

You love Ronaldo! You have great taste!

Date: 2012-06-21 06:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jenny-jenkins.livejournal.com
Now you mention it I'm not sure I'm counting small claims court though (if they are small claims).

Date: 2012-06-21 06:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sashatwen.livejournal.com
Hahaha. Let's say we wish they were bigger. :D

Date: 2012-06-21 02:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tragedyofempty.livejournal.com
This is the dumbest thing ever! I'm American because I was born here and I choose to identify this way. I could say 'well I'm German and Spanish' because I can trace my roots to both Germany and Spain. But that doesn't make me less American. It's like Nuri decided to play for Turkey though he was born in Germany.

People are dumb. I'm glad Mesut's people are handling this. They pick on him because he's not vocal about shit

Date: 2012-06-21 02:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lovinthelads.livejournal.com
Exactly. Even "native americans" came over from Asia.

And I'm such a mutt, I don't even know what to call myself. German-Welsh-English-Irish-American?

Date: 2012-06-21 02:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tragedyofempty.livejournal.com
I just know german is my dominate, but I can trace a few ancestors back to spain. Everything else is mutt.

Date: 2012-06-21 11:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lovinthelads.livejournal.com
I tend to claim German because it's my cultural heritage in many ways. The area of Ohio I am from tends to eat/celebrate in Germanic traditions.

Date: 2012-06-21 02:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arisu-wa-doko.livejournal.com
Ugh, the shit people say. I think i've seen that comment, along with "euro should only be played by european (caucasian?) player"

It's sad - you're born there, grow up there, and people still think you don't belong because of how you look.

I bet the one that say that isn't german, i believe most german people would care more about the victory he brings in euro than his descent.

Date: 2012-06-21 02:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lovinthelads.livejournal.com
Poor Mesut. I've seen a LOT of stuff this summer attacking the German National Team for not being "German", but FFS, the kid was born and raised there. We live in a global community. There is no such thing as "really German".

And seriously, the captain of America's team is Carlos Bocanegra, son of a Mexican immigrant. You gonna demand his papers, too?

Though I have to say, I'm interested that this one account is singled out. I see racist crap there all the time. I unfollow those people immediately, but I know it's there.

Date: 2012-06-21 02:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 13oct.livejournal.com
This is such bulshit. Stuff like this makes me livid. I am very glad that Mesut's father is taking a hard stance against such blatant crap.

Date: 2012-06-21 03:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] charliechaz.livejournal.com
....so confused ......... I'm American so I don't understand all European laws...but where is the criminal liability. I can see twitter policing the account and deleting the racists comments ....but his lawyer is filing a complaint...with who ? FIFa? The police ? Was this another athlete who posted the comments?

As much as I would like it to be so, being a racists isn't a crime? I'm confused

Date: 2012-06-21 03:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] charliechaz.livejournal.com
Okay that makes total sense...but the part about legal action...I improperly assumed it meant legal action above and beyond deleting the account. Thanks for the clarification...
Meanwhile it's totally cool that John Terry run around playing for England in an international tournament (complete with ten words respect sewn onto his jersey) while awaiting charges of racial abuse. You know it's bad when twitter can respond quicker than the BFA.

OT: why can JT go more than 12 months without opening his mouth or dropping his pants in the wrong home?

Date: 2012-06-21 06:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sashatwen.livejournal.com
This makes a lot more sense and now that I think about it, was most likely falsely reported in the articles I've read.

Date: 2012-06-21 04:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] naobot.livejournal.com
I feel really bad for Mesut when almost every single Youtube video about him or article about him has arguments in the comments over his German-ness or his Turkish-ness. :/ I'm glad that action is being taken against this guy.

#secondgenerationproblems

Date: 2012-06-21 11:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] plastickkheart.livejournal.com
IA. I don't even read Youtube comments when I watch a Mesut video. It's the only thing people feel the need to talk about.

Date: 2012-06-21 11:35 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] suzanne410.livejournal.com
This whole issue continues to baffle me, and yet I understand that it’s not as simple as I’d like to make it. Simpleminded me thinks, “He was born and raised in Germany!” end of story. But of course I realize there is a great deal of history and politics involved. Mix in a dose of ignorance, a lack of tolerance, a hefty amount of idiocy and you’ll likely end up with racism at it’s finest.
I like to think that with each passing generation we get a little better. My parents, though I love them dearly, say things about people’s ethnicity or nationality that surprise and upset me. Just the other day I was with my mom wearing my Ozil jersey. She must have said 3 times, “Just look at that name!”, “It’s such a strange name!”, “Can you imagine if that was your last name?” (to which I quickly replied, Why yes… yes I can! hahaha) This was coming from a woman whose married name (and the name I grew up with) is 10 letters long, very Eastern European in nature, and one that no one can ever pronounce! I just couldn’t understand why she had an issue with it… so I chalked it up to her age and a lack of exposure. But my point being, I don’t think anyone in my family of my generation would think or say something like this simply because it wouldn’t BE something we’d find “strange”.
And last thing… Sadly, I don’t wonder if looks play a part in this. He LOOKS Turkish (obviously). He does not LOOK “typical” German. This kills me because we’ve dealt with this in my own family (my hubby is Hispanic and very dark). But some people just can’t seem to accept others who “look” different. Anyways, the twitter account should be disabled, and I’m proud of Mesut for taking a stand on this.
Edited Date: 2012-06-21 11:45 am (UTC)

Date: 2012-06-21 01:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mesutcanada.livejournal.com
Racism is all about fear. People are afraid of different cultures and think it will somehow threaten their own culture. If people just took the time to know individuals from other cultures they would see that they are just normal people living their lives and there's nothing to be afraid of.

Although the racism against Ozil infuriates me, the cultural debate about him is actually one of the things I found initially intriguing about him. It's just one of the many things that makes Mesut an interesting, intriguing and complex public personality. Too bad that some people use it against him instead of for him, like I do.
Edited Date: 2012-06-21 01:26 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-06-21 10:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icanseenow.livejournal.com
really? what subject are you studying? HU or FU?

Date: 2012-06-22 12:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] die4shin-sin.livejournal.com
Wow I come here to ask whether it's true or not and there's this post! (Should've checked earlier) Why is he being Turkish should be a problem for anyone while he's fighting for the pride of his country? I just can't understand racism at all. Just burn, baby, burn.

Go, Oezil family, go, fight, win!

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